S6 Episode 1: Problem-Solving with the President
About this episode
Hosted by: Anita Mehta and Simon Blain
Guests: Sir Stephen Cobb, President of the Family Division
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If you are wondering what the future of family law looks like, then look no further than this interview with the President of the Family Division, Sir Stephen Cobb. The short answer is that the future is going to focus on problem-solving.
The President tells us about how he is going implement his priorities, which are the five ‘Rs’: relationships, resources, reforms, results and respects. You will be pleased to hear that this included working to strengthen relationships between NCDR and the court system in order to help families.
The President endorsed the recent report of the Family Solutions Group:
Finally, the President concluded with a very moving tribute to Sir James Munby.
The President also told us that he listens to the podcast, but unfortunately that was before we had switched on the recording, so you will have to take our word!
S6 Episode 2: Enforcement of International Finance Orders
About this episode
Hosted by: Anita Mehta and Simon Blain
Guests: Michael Allum (International Family Law Group), Andrew Campbell (QEB) and Lisette Dupré (Stewarts)
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For part 2 of our mini-series in enforcement, we are joined by Michael Allum (International Family Law Group), Andrew Campbell (QEB) and Lisette Dupré (Stewarts) to tell us all about enforcement of international orders.
Lisette reminds us that ‘maintenance’ does not solely refer to periodical payments, and lump sums can also constitute maintenance: Van Den Boogaard v Laumen [1997] QB 759.
Michael tells us that when we are looking at outgoing orders, we need to start by asking:
- What ~ What order is it you are trying to enforce? If it is a periodical payments order, there is no question that is classed as maintenance. But a lump sum order to meet needs is also maintenance.
- Where ~ Where has the order been made? Because that will determine which convention you can use and the means of enforcement.
- When ~ When was the order made? Because that will determine which convention you can use.
- Why ~ Why are you taking steps to enforce in that country? Is the asset in the country and is it secure?
Andy tells us that we must think about enforcing the order all the way through the case, including during the drafting. Andy suggests that we should think about whether we need a declaration in the order that an award is maintenance more frequently:
Declaration under the EU Maintenance Regulation / The Hague Convention
- (applies to cases covered by the EU Maintenance Regulation – e.g. where Form A was issued prior to 11pm on 31 December 2020)
The provisions under paragraphs [para numbers] of this order represent “maintenance” for the purposes of the Council Regulation (EC) No 4/2009 of 18 December 2008 on jurisdiction, applicable law, recognition and enforcement of decisions and cooperation in matters relating to maintenance obligations. - (or, applies (where relevant) to cases not covered by the EU Maintenance Regulation but covered by the 2007 Hague Convention)
The provisions under paragraphs [para numbers] of this order represent “maintenance” for the purposes of the Hague Convention of 23 November 2007 on the International Recovery of Child Support and Other Forms of Family Maintenance.
Lisette tells us about EU Maintenance Regulation No 4/2009 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2009/4(1)/oj/eng, which applies if the divorce application was issued in an EU member state before 1st January 2021.
If there is an order made in one of the other member states in that time, it is directly enforceable here. Note, you can, but do not have to, use a Central Authority certainly when enforcing child maintenance. You need to weigh up the advantage of having a government body incurring the cost, against the disadvantage of additional delay and loss of control.
Michael explains what to do when looking at whether an order can be enforced pursuant to the Hague Convention 2007. In particular:
- There is a list of countries that have signed up on the website; https://www.hcch.net/en/states/hcch-members. But you must look at the specific Country, as each Country interprets maintenance differently.
- The scope of the convention is in Article 2 – child maintenance and spousal maintenance. See https://assets.hcch.net/docs/14e71887-0090-47a3-9c49-d438eb601b47.pdf
- The connection between the countries. For example, the countries are both signed up to the 2007 Hague Convention, although that does not mean that they will automatically enforce orders from another signatory and you have to check the specific provisions between those countries.
Andy tells us about enforcing incoming orders from countries that do not have a treaty with England. There is still a possibility that the order can be enforced as a civil claim, but it must be:
- An order for a definite sum of money; and
- The order must be final and conclusive ~ this can be a difficult hurdle with maintenance orders.
The key question, whenever you are thinking about your case, should always be is there a way to avoid relying on international enforcement? For example, are there assets in this jurisdiction that can be used instead? Or can it be agreed that the assets are transferred to this country before the deal is signed. That way you avoid all of the issues discussed in the podcast.